SHINE NO. 1 1987

How can you get on the wrong tube, get lost trying to find the Elephant and Castle, have to wait half an hour for a taxi, get a Yugoslavian driver who's only been driving in London for 3 weeks, who sings at the top of his voice, then decides to get a puncture and has to change the wheel. Then arrive at an interview over an hour late? I managed all of that but the Nephilim didn't seem to mind...

The Nephilim have been playing for about three years, selling out large venues in advance; and hitting the world straight in the guts with their discrimination and hard work.

The Nephilim are: Carl McCoy - Vocals, Paul Wright - Guitar, Tony Pettit - Bass, Nod Wright - Drums, Peter Yates - Guitar and vocals.

Interview starts with Pete and Paul.

Claire: How did you all get together?

Paul: What started it was I met Tony; Tony was playing for a band called... oh I can't remember what, it's years ago, they'd just come back from somewhere and they said would you like to join our band, I said Yeah, next thing we knew the year later we lost a drummer so my brother Nod started playing; he'd been playing guitar and sax up until then, he'd come along, then there was the three of us we left that band because they didn't like what we was doing together, we was like under a sort of dictatorship, not particularly dictatorship but it was somebody else's band, it weren't ours, we weren't part of it we joined it. So then we'd finished with that we joined another one called the Mission...

Pete: That's Gospel

Paul: Yeah we finished with that cos we didn't like what we were doing with the people we'd joined with. Then we met Carl straight away, straight after that, Carl's been with us ever since.

Claire: What were peoples general reactions at your first gigs?

Paul: All of 'em went home!

Pete: The first gig I ever did was supporting Chelsea at the Marquee.

Paul: That was a good 'un.

PETE: I joined on the Wednesday and on the Sunday I played at the Marquee, which was alright.

Paul: Which is quite good for the first one isn't it, you know from what you call a local band to play straight up; specially to a sort of Chelsea audience.

Claire: Do you think you come over well live?

Paul: Better.

Pete: What now?

Claire: Yeah.

Paul: Yeah, much better.

Pete: I dunno, it's two things, it's like...

Paul: Two halves.

Pete: It's totally two minds, it's not one things better than the other, it's just we enjoy playing live and we enjoy doing albums.

Paul: I think we get more energy over live 'cos a lot of our music's down to energy; the power of the bassline, the drums and everything, it sounds much better to me through a thousand/five thousand watt P.A. than it does through a twenty watt speaker.

Pete: It's like a live thing, you know when you go and see a live band and you want to hear a lot of volume, you know, loud bands you get into it and all that and when you go home and listen to records it depends what you're doing, sort of late at night or whatever or first thing in the morning.

Claire: What do you listen to then?

Paul: All of us listen to totally different things like Carl got this tape, we listened to that; 'cos it was for a reason, we was thinking of getting a synth in, listening to ideas and things.

Pete: Tell you what the best guitarist, you'd never have heard of him well you might not have, the best guitarist is this bloke called Robert Fripp, 'cos he plays his guitar like it's something else, he just gets all these sounds out o it and he's brilliant!

Paul: That's Pete...

Pete: But... that's from like when I was a bit younger, but I still like him, things like that last for a few years, you know that are lasting. Not like fashion bands.

Paul: A few of the bands that all of us like, like we've got everything hopefully that we can get hold of, bands like Joy Division, Magazine, all the Velvets, there's a lot of bands, Bunnymen.

Pete: Magazine, The Doors.

Paul: Yeah, all the old stuff, between us we do like all the classics, the stuff we're listening to today is all the old stuff, I don't go out and buy new records, 'cos there's nothing new that I'd buy, if I go to see a band like the Godfathers,...They're great live, but like I couldn't stomach a record of theirs.

Pete: The best single last year was Ship of Fools, by World Party, do you remember that?

Paul: I didn't like it.

Pete: I thought it was brilliant. We like a load of different stuff between us.

Paul: That's why we're all individuals, otherwise we wouldn't be able to create a conversation about it, we wouldn't be able to debate what we liked and what we didn't like about songs and we wouldn't be able to put what we've come to a conclusion of good music. That's basically the way it is, we all like different things for different reasons like the bassist might be into reggae.

Pete: He likes Rock'n'Roll, Tony likes R'n'R; I mean I can't stand some of the things he likes, I like some of it like the Cramps and bands like that but he likes R'n'R.

Paul: Tone loves a bit of slap bass, but the thing is Tony used to be in a reggae band, just a little while.

Pete: That's why he left it...

Paul: He likes anything with a heavy bassline. Anything R'n'R.

Pete: God this girls got eight pages of questions.

Paul: Great, keep talking...

Claire: do crowd reactions vary in different areas?

Nod: Yeah.

Paul: Yeah, they're slightly different in Glasgow than in Peterborough.

Pete: London's always really, really good, we've got a big following in London, but we've got a big following in places like Leeds and Birmingham as well. But we haven't played that much in sort of like Newcastle and Scotland we've only done like what once...

Paul: Everyone likes to be beside the seaside, you know when we ever go to the coast there's that sort of attitude that you're by the coast you know that sort of feeling. I reckon that the crowds up north are the only crowds that are prepared to travel. The crowds from London are over spoilt basically, but the crowds from up north are prepared to travel and in the know I reckon, believe it or not. They wouldn't travel that far to see a lousy band, the bands that have to come down fine, but the people that come to see us I should imagine 50% come from up north which is fine.

Pete: The thing is if you live in London, you've got a lot of things to do besides bands, there's loads of things to do, if you live up north a lot of people come and see us, sort of I dunno, maybe it's the same group of people, maybe like 50/100 people travelling around the country, whatever.

Paul: Na, no disrespect to 'em, if they've put time, effort and money that they put most of 'em coming to see us I'd have gone to the Astoria last week instead to see them. Because of 'em have been with us since day one, like Gary and a few other people. Well day one since you came anyway.

Pete: Yeah.

Paul: And this is incredible like, 'cos you know none of 'em have got a great deal of dough, their all working hard, whatever they do for a living and go to work during the day and by night their total stars of their own.

Pete: We really like all the people that follow us like, definite sort of crowd their alright.

Paul: It's nice to know a face or two here and there. I remember you, it's nice to remember faces. People think you're gonna say 'Hello' all the time but you can't 'cos you're bust at the time so it's hard.

Claire: Who arranges the venues that you play and can you chose?

Paul & Pete: No, Paul our agent does that.

Paul: We used to once and decided to play the Bell at Caldicot but we didn't play, then things picked up and the deal started and we got our first EP out and done quite well after a while.

Pete: If someone said that they wanted to book us and Steve said they wanted to book us, and if it wasn't a good place, we don't have to play it.

Claire: Would you play Rayleigh again?

Pete: That club?

Claire: Pink Tooth Brush.

Paul: No, specially me 'cos I got kicked in. The thing is anywhere with the name like the P.T.B. well, it's not the name, I just didn't like it from the minute I got there, that was one of the only clubs I'd ever been to, I'd have loved to gone there for a night out but to actually play there, I didn't like it.

Pete: You've got our next England dates haven't you?

Claire: Yeah.

Pete: They're all good places aren't they?

Claire: Yeah, Rock City's my birthday.

Pete: Well come up then. Rock City, Rock City.

Paul: City Rock.

Pete. It's the best gig outside London I reckon, a really good place to play.

Paul: There's a lot of good places to play outside London it's a shame like there not all up to the same calibre. There's nowhere we'd not play except Rayleigh.

Claire: Are you going to play Bedford and Cambridge again?

Pete: We were a bit smaller then.

Paul: But if we said yeah and it held 400 and 700 turned up, then there's gonna be 300 people outside and they've travelled a distance and whereas when you play places like the Marquee there's other things for them to do after, other bands on, if you go all the way out there and you know you're gonna fill the house before through sales anyway; you just don't bother 'cos you don't wanna upset more people than your gonna please. It just doesn't work out, if 50 people came all that way and couldn't get in, you know it's not worth it.

Pete: You've got to get everyone in.

Paul: So we bear that in mind before gigs, 'cos a lot are loyal and do follow us about.

Claire: does it help having a good manager and agent?

Paul: Dunno we ain't got one!

Followed by laughter....

Pete: No it does because all you've gotta do is write the music, you ain't gotta do all the other things to sort stuff out.

Paul: Our managers in Melody maker more than us.

Claire: Would you have done so well without them?

Paul: No definitely not, he's worth his weight in gold.

Pete: And the record company, the agent Beggars.

Paul: and everybody you can't expect to do all that practice and write decent material, you can't bear all the weight of the whole load on your shoulders so you end-up trusting people for the right reasons, you get to meet 'em, we've been lucky.

Pete: It's so much easier than say 2/3 years ago, because we had to do the lot ourselves, now we've got people working on different areas and us with our music.

Claire: How much work does the band involve?

Paul: Full time job.

Pete: 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Claire: You enjoy doing it then?

Paul: Do your ears ring when you go to bed, or whatever it is you do after the last record you've heard and it follows you doesn't it? So after a practice we're all sitting in the van and suddenly everyone's toes are tapping in time and everybody knows what everyone else is thinking, it doesn't just stop after an idea.

Pete: When I was like 15 or 16 I used to go and see bands and you'd wake up in the morning and you'd have your ears ringing for a start and you'd have all tunes going thru' your head and that, it was like great, we get that as well, just like going to see your favorite bands.

Paul: Only we're not as loud as we are to you, 'cos we haven't got the PA behind, we've got it in front.

Claire: Since you seem busy all the time, when do you find time to get your ideas?

Paul: On the job.

Pete: We all turn up at rehearsals, some days nothing happens, then other days it just clicks you can write a song in an hour or so if everything's going well.

Paul: Right, I consider that when you turn up to practice and everybody's there and your gears set up and they say right we've gotta write another LP, it doesn't ever naturally work like that, you take your gear home with you anyway, and I ever anytime you've got a bit of time on your hands, you know whatever you do at home, you just sit there and have a pluck like on your guitar for a little while, get a few chords together and just leave it at that. Take those few chords to a practice, like everyone else does and everybody brings a few ideas and between us they all seem to fit together, so there's no shortage of ideas.

Pete: Here comes Nod, Nod's the drummer.

Paul: As nod, Oi Nod where do you find time to get your ideas?

Nod: In bed; lying on my back basically.

Pete: Thank-you, that was Nod on drums.

Paul: Lying on his back.

Nod: On my own...

Claire: Was Reading Rock a turning point to you lot.

Paul: Definitely.

Claire: Did a lot happen after?

Paul: Yeah, we were rushed about for ages.

Pete: There were people at Reading who just turn up to see bands they haven't seen before and see what's going on, so yeah, quite a lot of attention.

Now Carl and Tony appeared...

Paul: Hang on Carl McCoy has entered the building.

Claire: Your growing rapidly in popularity have you got the sound that could make it commercially?

Carl: Well what makes a commercial record? The audiences.

Pete: The only thing that makes it commercial is that you're selling to more people so, if the audience keeps growing, so we become commercial.

Tony: Yeah, it's true.

Pete: It's got nothing to do with the sound you make, it's just the amount of people you're selling to.

Tony: That's why you get some pretty obscure bands that do reach a good commercial sort of size. It's only bands that do it for years. It's sort of building it up rather than a band instantly commercial like bros.

Claire: Is taking time over your records important?

Carl: Yeah, definitely.

Paul: Time over writing?

Pete: These records have gotta last, you know so you might as well take time rather than rushing.

Paul: What is it that someone once said?....Every work is gonna go down in history.

Carl: Who said that?

Tony: You've gotta be confident though like...oh I dunno...what a line of crap...

Carl: Yeah, we've really come in this half way ain't we mate.

Tony: Yeah! Lets have a word from the man; the singer.

Paul: Ask him a personnel question, like his inside leg measurement is!!

Claire: Do you fantasise about anything?

Carl: Yeah, everything

Claire: Like what?

Carl: Um...hang on this could take a while...

Tony: Do you fantasise about getting another centimetre?

Carl: No I don't fantasise about that!

Tony: Everyone fantasises about something though, don't they?

Carl: No, I fulfill all my fantasies.

Tony: Fulfill 'em all? I don't fulfill all mine; there's a few like....

Carl: I fulfill all mine!

Claire: Do your records sell well abroad?

Pete: Yeah, they do in the State we've only just got a deal.

Carl: We've only just started to get deals so it's a hard question to answer. I mean like for example Germany was one of the first places we got a deal abroad; and I think we're selling quite well there. I dunno about other places yet 'cos we've just got deals.

Pete: Other countries are sort of like a year behind what we are in Britain, say Preacher Man's in the states, so the other countries are like a year behind us, so we don't really know 'til say a years time how we're doing.

Claire: Where in the world would you like to play?

Nod: Personally I'd like to play in China.

Tony: I think Pink Floyd looked quite good in Pompeii.

Carl: I wouldn't mind playing Egypt.

Tony: Somewhere like that.

Carl: Yeah, it'd be nice to have pyramids as your background.

Pete: Yeah, it'd be great.

Carl: Apparently... well I've not been there so I don't know, but I've heard it's not all what it's made out to be anyway, these pyramids.

Tony: Just looks good in photos...

Claire: Have you had an embarrassing experiences on stage?

Tony: Yeah, I had an embarrassing experience.

Carl: Paul;... Paul's been pretty embarrassing on stage sometimes.

Tony: My trousers fell down once, when I played with Zodiac Mindwarp.

Pete: Yeah, and when I played with Zodiac Mindwarp I climbed on top of the PA...

Tony: Yeah, and that was embarrassing for the rest of the band.

Pete: I jumped off on top of the drumkit.

Tony/Carl/Pete: Um...very embarrassing...

Tony: Yeah, and it was that same gig that my trousers fell down.

Pete: So basically everything's down to Zodiac Mindwarp.

Tony: So I sold my trousers to Carl.

Carl: And I had to buy some braces to keep 'em up.

Claire: Do you think your sound could attract 12-16 year olds?

Carl: We get mail from 11 year olds.

Pete: They buy the singles all those kids, they buy the singles.

Carl: I think that the newer crowd that we're drawing in is like the record buying crowd which is like a younger crowd under 20 years old really.

Pete: Yeah maybe the younger get more into live stuff and the older people get into records, I dunno.

Claire: Have you played anywhere and got no reaction?

Carl: Yeah, we played a place in Norway and there was no crowd to get a reaction from.

Tony: More band than them.

Carl: More road-crew.

Tony: I think the least reaction we've ever had was when we played... it's a long time ago 3 1/2 years ago...supporting at Adam &Eves the other band was Chelsea. Right I'm gonna take that... We supported Chelsea at Adam & Eves and it was full of skinheads and we didn't get any reaction!

Claire: Do you feel proud of your followers, travelling miles to see you at every gig you play?

Pete: Yeah, definitely.

Carl: What? Yeah...

Pete: The reason that we've done alright is that we've got this live following, which is pretty faithful. They're good people, they're alright.

Claire: Were you surprised at the Poll result in Sounds and Melody Maker and that?

Carl: Yeah, that's what it all comes down to in the end, people who do buy the records, who do take an interest in you.

Pete: I thought it was interesting 'cos like the melody Maker came to us, 'cos of the polls, which took a lot of people by surprise 'cos a lot of people who think they're hip, don't know much about us, all of a sudden they realised so they did this front cover and that.

Claire: Do you admire any bands still around now?

Pete: I think out of all the big bands, I admire the Bunnymen, they sort of haven't changed that much, they've always done what they wanted to do. They sell a lot of records, though they haven't changed that much since the first album.

Claire: What bands did you like supporting when you were a support band?

Carl: I never enjoyed supporting any bands that we played with, I haven't personally no.

Claire: Why?

Carl: We haven't supported anyone that I'd thought was a good band. We've had to take supports basically like to do them. We had to be able to play to people.

Claire: Where did you pick up most of your followers?

Carl: Jezebels.

Pete: I think like Jezebels, no-one had really heard of us, we did the Jezebel tour and sort of got a bit of a live following in a way I suppose and a lot of the Jezebel people stuck with us.

Claire: If you could be someone else for a day who would you be?

Pete: Tell you what I wouldn't mind being Jesus for a day.

Carl: I wouldn't mind being Aleister Crowley for one minute.

Pete: 'Cos if I was Jesus and Carl was Aleister Crowley it would be a really good conversation.

Claire: Do press reactions worry you?

Pete: Tell you what if someone could be bothered to write an extremely bad thing about us, to me it's like the same as writing extremely good things about us.

Carl: Any press is like good press in our eyes. It must be really playing on their minds to actually get to someone that bad, if it annoys someone that deeply then it's amazing that we can actually do that; which is better than people's praise just for the sake of it, but people slagging us off, writing letters to Backlash, it's great, they must hate you like, to actually annoy someone that much without knowing it or speaking to them; it's weird!

Claire: Do you think nowadays there's too much emphasis placed on bands being good looking by the record companies for glossy photos and that instead of their music?

Pete: I'll tell you what we were coming down here to practice the other day and listening to Radio 1, and they had these bands on, the stuff Radio 1 plays and they were playing loads of keyboards stuff and someone in the band turned round and said, no-one writes songs anyway and everyone agreed, 'cos no-one does, you've just got to 'ave one bloke in the studio who knows how to work a keyboard and knows how to work a studio, anyone whose in the top 20 apart from AC/DC.

Carl: They ain't good looking AC/DC, are they AC/DC?

Pete: I can't stand bands being hyped, most of the top 40s hyped, every now and then a good band gets through, you know that just sells records 'cos they're a good live band, they've got a good live following.

Tony: Even as much as we sort of dislike the Mission, al least they're a bit more honest.

Carl: I dunno about them, blimey they're robbing our videos now. They ain't very honest are they?

Claire: What's the best Christmas present you got this year?

Tony: Yeah it was a good Christmas weren't it, you had a good present didn't you?

Carl: I had some good Christmas presents actually.

Tony: As a band though what happened?

Carl: Something happened to us at Christmas, what was it?

Tony: Christmas was like shit, then we went to Spain that was alright.

Carl: You mean material things, things we've been bought?

Carl: I got bought some things but I can't remember what they were.

Peter comes back with a drink.

Carl: Did you get any good Christmas presents this year Pete?

Pete: Was that a question?

Claire: Yeah.

Pete: If I answered that question it's sound really stupid... oh I'll tell you anyway.

Carl: Come on tell us Pete. Show us what you got, what did ya get?

Grabbing hold of Pete's leather jacket.

Pete: This jacket? No I wasn't going to say that, no my sisters right she's 16 and she's really good at art.

Carl: She made him the jacket.

Pete: She drew me this picture and framed it and that.

Carl: She painted his jacket to make it look old.

Pete: I got this jacket off Carl.

Claire: You did Burning The Fields off your own backs, didn't you? How long did it take to record and get it out?

Carl: It took about 8-9 months to record it and get it out, maybe a year.

Claire: Were you pleased with the results?

Carl: We were pleased at the time.

Tony: I think we're still pleased though, 'cos looking back at it, it's not that bad for the money it weren't that bad.

Claire: How much?

Tony: Um... about 500 quid.

Claire: I got told about 3000

Carl: No, not at the rate we go, like the money we earned, the dole cheques we got.

Tony: Remember there was only one member of the band working then and we threw him out.

Claire: If you were alone on a desert island and allowed to take three things what would you take.

Carl: I know what one of 'em would be but I haven't got a name for her yet!

Pete: I'd like to take a boat!

Tony: I'd like to take a boat, a million pounds to bun on the fire to keep me warm, a cassette of our new song.

Carl: A Leonard Cohen cassette and a stanley knife to cut my throat with, when I'm pissed off with it...

Claire: Has the band changed you as people?

Carl: The only thing I can thin of that's changed us is it's helped us, it's brought us a lot closer together, we know each other really, really well now, better than like than other people we live with in some ways. Nothings really changed, it's changed our attitudes in like the music business totally, it's changed my attitude, we went into it really nave, we didn't know what to expect we hated the whole system so we've like hardened up against it, so it has probably changed us.

Pete: I don't think it has changed us as people.

Tony: It hasn't changed our personalities.

Pete: Which is really good, you see sort of people in the music business or whatever and they're in this band and they start to do well and all of a sudden they came over as different people, put on media personalities, whatever you call it.

Claire: How hard was it to get where you are now?

Pete: Very hard, it's really hard work!

Tony: It's an uphill thing, but at the sametime it takes it's natural course.

Carl: Unlike a lot of bands we didn't have any 'contacts' so to speak, like from the word 'go' we weren't in with any bands that had already done it, we didn't get any advice from anyone.

Tony: Being truthful the only actual contact that we had was Steve our manager, but when it came down to it, he didn't have the contacts with the people in this side of the music business.

Carl: Steve had the same attitude as us.

Tony: So he's had to learn as much as us at the same time, do you know what I mean?

Claire: if you get loads and loads of money what would you buy?

Carl: A Mausoleum so I'd lock myself in it when I'm dead.

Tony: The first thing I'd buy is a Packard V12, which is an old American car, it's like the fuckin' best car I've ever seen.

Pete: I'd buy a pyramid and leave a razor blade in it to see if it sharpened it...

Claire: If there was such a thing as life after death, what would you like to come back as?

Tony: A bird.

Pete: Yeah a bird, I'd like to come back as that.

Carl: What do you mean if?

Claire: Okay there is life after death.

Carl: I'd come back again and again and again and again as I am.

Claire: So you like things as they are?

Carl: I'm pleased with what I've done in my other life forms aswell.

Tony: I'd come back as a bird to learn the secret of self propelled flight then come back as myself to show off to my mates!

Which ends up in laughter from the rest of the band.

Carl: Great answer!

Claire: Since you've been on Sit. Two, you've got a manager and that, are you still in control of your own careers?

Carl; Yep, we only do what we want to do.

Pete: We do absolutely everything, we chose the single, the art work, we chose the album title.

Tony: We even take the photos on a self-timer.

Claire: Do you? (Thick cow that I am).

Tony: No (laughter)

Pete: The way we present ourselves is exactly how we wanted it.

Carl: We want to cover every aspect of music that we're interested in, that we feel that we should be playing that's the most important thing for us, to cover all the ground, all the music that's important to us all.

Tony: One thing you can't have is being in a band which every one of us wants is security, security to know you're going to be well off, the ultimate thing would be to make a good living out of it.

Carl: Doing exactly what we want. We're quite comfortable how we are, only just signed off the dole, we're not earning any deals of money, we're doing exactly what we want though.

Pete: The next album is gonna be on Sit Two, hopefully it's gonna do quite well. After the tour to do that on an indie label is something to be proud of.

Carl: We're very satisfied. We're actually come from nothing from being on the dole to this position just through willpower and being patient, it's satisfying.

We've been totally the minority haven't we? Being told we ain't gonna get anywhere, we've been slagged off by family, put down by people who don't believe in us and what we're doing, they think there's thousands of bands about. They say why are people gonna take notice of you? What's so special about you? And we just felt our music is special and it's worked for us.

Tony: We're a dying breed of live bands, building themselves up, what with all this sampling and stuff.

Pete: That's why I like it if a record gets in the top 20 whether it's AC/DC, Mission, Cult or whatever you think about it, these bands have worked off a live audience.

Claire: You must have achieved a load of ambitions, what have you achieved and what do you wanna do?

Carl: To begin with it was actually to be on record, looking back four years ago it was a real achievement.

Tony: previous to this band I'd actually got myself on vinyl

Pete: Last year our plan was to play the Electric ballroom, the Electric Ballroom put in a noise metre, so we did the Astoria, we got 2000 in and it only holds 1500, that was an achievement. Then it's Town and Country.

Carl: I suppose that's a side step 'cos we're actually allowed more in the Astoria than we'll be able to put in the Town And Country. The Town and Country holds 2000 but it's 2000 they won't push it, no way. We got 2200 into the Astoria.

Pete: The only thing we haven't done here in England is live T.V that's sort of an achievement.

Carl: Actually playing live...

Tony: I think it's always at the back of your minds, it's not the sort of thing that drives us along but when people slagged us off in the past all these people that sort of laughed at you, just go and show how well we're doing on the live side of things, it takes a lot to pull 2200 people these days. People like Belouis Some do you remember him right? When he was in the charts he was still playing Croydon Underground, so I know for a fact if we get up into the charts, we won't be playing there.

Carl: The thing is as we've gone along in the last 4 years we've pulled people here and there and with our following they don't drift off once someone else comes along, so it builds and builds, this crowd is getting bigger, that's what's good about it.

Tony: We don't like fucking people off anyway.

Carl: We try and give people what they deserve sometimes it's hard though, 'cos you're so tired and you can't give it all what you should be giving it, which is understood when you're gigging every night for a month, but we try and give them what they deserve.

Carl: I'd be really interested to see what it does to us, we haven't exactly had loads of money and publicity yet so what we're saying is at this level

Tony: We've got all the best intentions in the world.

Carl: It changes your life, the music business can change your fucking life, whether you like it or not, it's gonna be changed.

Claire: Do you like the position you are in now?

Carl: Yeah, I love it, like the position we're in now, I love it, all I want to do now to be honest in this position, still getting slagged off in the papers, not getting loads of publicity, but being able to make music and put out all the music we wanna put out, there's nothing more satisfying that that; BUT it doesn't stop at that, if you put out music and people like it, then you're gonna become big whether you like it or not and I don't know what it's gonna feel like, I like it as it is.

Claire: Do you get recognised a lot?

Carl: Not where we live, but everywhere else, it seems to be everywhere else.

Claire: Why's that?

Carl: 'Cos we're in disguise

Tony: Incognito!!

Claire: What about any future video releases??

Pete: We're gonna do it when we do the next single, do a video for that and then we'll put out three as a package; Preacher Man, Blue Water and whatever the next one is...

Claire: So what are your plans for the future?

Carl: An album coming out... what you're talking about is after the album?

Claire: Yeah, everything!

Carl: I don't know 'cos the album could change everything, make all the difference in like what we might do at the end of the next year, depending on how well the next album goes, we don't really know. The more room we'd like I think to do what we'd want to do. But the more room we get the less room you get. It sounds really shit, but that's what it winds down to...

Pete: Any ideas how the album will sound like?

Claire: ???????

Pete: It's gonna be an extension of Dawnrazor.

Carl: it's gonna be an extension of Dawnrazor, but it's gonna offer a little more as well, for the same price.

Pete: An extension of the Nephilim.

Carl: It's gonna be of everything, everything that we're interested in whereas Dawnrazor was a collection of songs that we had about for quite a few years and they had to go down on vinyl 'cos we'd been playing them for ages, whereas this new album is a brand new project; it's gonna be more finished than before. Dawnrazor left everyone in the air totally I thought...

Well, I'll leave the Nephilim playing with their extensions, getting prepared for America, playing venues in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Washington, New York, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, Rayleigh, Nashville, Miami and loads more. So make sure you get to see them on their British tour dates. And sticking my neck out I'd say that Cajun, Moonchild, Phobia and Watchman will be included on the new album out in May as well but we'll all have to wait and see.